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Hello from Totally ADD. I am back.

by TotallyADD in

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hopfully many of the older ones do.

since our move to wild's of pa many things have happen to my wife and i. our donut business went out the window.

we closed it last july.

Don't Blame the Organization for Imperfect Humans

by ranmac in

i think everyone here has heard this as a response to questioning or serious concerns about the religion.

i think its a cowardly retort.

a flimsy cop-out.

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LHG

You are spot on about working full-time. I truly feel that was a huge part of my problem is that I worked and supported myself. I was seen as not relaying on Jehovah but my own strength.

My husband used to tell me I was working for nothing that soon I would be throwing the money I made in the streets. That Jehovah would provide if only I would let Him.

We got so low on money and the JW's were COMING TO ME TO BEG not my husband. The car did not run on air and I NEVER ONCE saw Jehovah give me a dime. One time and one time only a elder and his wife were with us in field service this elder made a fairly good amount at his job and his wife did not work. So this elder filled up our gas tank after we had used our car all day in service. The wife was beyond PISSED at it and let me know very clearly that she was not happy but she never let my husband know she was upset and she was so sweet to him, so my husband swore that I was making it all up that she was mad at us and that Jehovah provided us a tank of gas.

I felt and still feel Jehovah or God or what ever higher power there is gives us the ability to work and that is how we take care of ourselves.

And yes ranmac I was around people who were not kind but really crule. So much for love in the true religion.

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Don't Blame the Organization for Imperfect Humans

by ranmac in

i think everyone here has heard this as a response to questioning or serious concerns about the religion.

i think its a cowardly retort.

a flimsy cop-out.

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I agree with Postoff

My husband was an elder and we had little money as we both pioneered but we never talked about our money, what we had or didn't have and I have concluded that when you say nothing people just assume you have tons of money. I have been around brothers who make six figures and cry their eyes out about how poor they are, yet I never once told anyone what we made. I think people just assumed we were rich, we were NOT! Yet we were always willing to help anyone who needed help. I always made sure to include the single mom's the lonely ones in the hall. We have a 900 SQ foot home yet we had the whole congregation over three time over 90 people in our home. There was barely enough room to move. We had everyone from the book study over when we feed the speaker every six weeks etc. Our home was trashed over and over. No one offered to stay help clean up, they all just took off.

As a kid in the "truth" I was always left out because my parents were not in the in crowd and they were odd. I promised myself I would never leave anyone out if I was ever in the position so when I married an elder I made sure that everyone in the hall was invited.

My thanks for that was to be hated and treated like dirt. The poor ones in the hall felt we had money for whatever reason and would come up to me and ask me to give them money because they did not have enough to last for the rest of the month. Now these people were on welfare and I was working three jobs. When the poor would come to my home it was like they went out of their way to destroy stuff, break glasses, come in with mud all over their shoes, etc and never once did they ever offer to stay and help me clean up, never once did they thank me, invited me to their home, I had them even yell at me in my home when I did something that they did not like, like trun on lights.

The rich elders would dump the mentally ill on my husband, at first I tried and tried to help them help themselves, I got one brother a job, offed to buy a car seat for a single mom so her baby would be safe while ridding in our car. They did not want the help they wanted handouts. They wanted me to give them money and got nasty when I did not.

I worked too hard to give away what I had and then to watch them do and buy things that I never could afford. It just burned me out.

So I totally agree with Pistoff.

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Latest KM says we need to being willing to sacrifice our life like Jonah did!!!

by life is to short in

in case any of you wondered why those two poor women who were attacked by the pit bull and probably ignored warning signs of a dag being in the yard and posted signs went to the door anyway.. here it is from the latest april 2013 km front page titled "take as a pattern the prophets-jonah".

paragraph #3 "when jonah realized that his bad decision had jeopardized the lives of the mariners, he was willing to sacrifice his life.

(jonah 1:3, 4, 12) later, when fulfilling his commission in nineveh, he walked deep into the heart of the city, perhaps looking for a suitable location to proclaim the judgment of jehovah.

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Thanks OTWO you spelled out what I meant very well. Apognophos what you wrote is exactly how I felt. If someone had a bad dog then we should not go to the door, why risk your life for it.

But see the point I am making is that not everyone had the chance to be in hall with balanced people like you who respected the rights and feelings of others. My feeling were never respected, I was mocked, put down, had WT and Awakes thrown in my face to make me do what they wanted me to. I did not know how to fight it so I went to door and was bitten six or seven times and I was told it was my fault because I did not have enough faith. I allowed my self to be bitten I kid you not.

I was in a hall of zealots who felt we needed to give our lives or at least my life to the cause. It is impossible for one person to fight that alone. And for that I am bitter now that I look back and that I allowed myself to be bullied like I did. I tried and tried to stand up for myself but I could not fight KM's like this alone when they were thrown in my face.

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Latest KM says we need to being willing to sacrifice our life like Jonah did!!!

by life is to short in

in case any of you wondered why those two poor women who were attacked by the pit bull and probably ignored warning signs of a dag being in the yard and posted signs went to the door anyway.. here it is from the latest april 2013 km front page titled "take as a pattern the prophets-jonah".

paragraph #3 "when jonah realized that his bad decision had jeopardized the lives of the mariners, he was willing to sacrifice his life.

(jonah 1:3, 4, 12) later, when fulfilling his commission in nineveh, he walked deep into the heart of the city, perhaps looking for a suitable location to proclaim the judgment of jehovah.

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slimboyfat?

I do not understand what you mean that it did not deliver on its title? I am so sorry to tick you off and waste your time.

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Latest KM says we need to being willing to sacrifice our life like Jonah did!!!

by life is to short in

in case any of you wondered why those two poor women who were attacked by the pit bull and probably ignored warning signs of a dag being in the yard and posted signs went to the door anyway.. here it is from the latest april 2013 km front page titled "take as a pattern the prophets-jonah".

paragraph #3 "when jonah realized that his bad decision had jeopardized the lives of the mariners, he was willing to sacrifice his life.

(jonah 1:3, 4, 12) later, when fulfilling his commission in nineveh, he walked deep into the heart of the city, perhaps looking for a suitable location to proclaim the judgment of jehovah.

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LHG
I agree I am not buying this anymore but I did when I was in, or I sort of bought into it. I guess I never totally bought into it because I thought going to homes with no trespassing signs and beware of dog sings was stupid. To me it was rude and stupid to call on someone who clearly did not want us there. But I had no chose when everyone in the car group vetoed my concerns. I was put down, made to feel stupid, told I lacked faith, etc. My husband at the time insisted that no trespassing signs did not apply to JW's.

We went to one home where the guy pulled a gun on my husband and shot it into the air, told us to get off his land and the next time he would shoot us. I begged and pleaded with my husband to write him down as a do not call. NO WAY, this guy was not going to decide for everyone else who might live in the house and besides he was drunk. My husband reasoned that the next time him might not be so drunk and get so upset.

We lived in the country and everyone had dogs and no trespassing signs I was told if we stopped going to those home was we have no one to call on. I could not argue that because it was true there would be no one left to talk to.

I hated it, I hated service but I bought into that we had to do it because Jehovah demanded it of us. So much of it made no sense and was such a total waste of time.

What makes me so upset about this KM is that a part like this would have feed fuel to the fire and I would have been bulled so horribly, and I was, I was shown WT's and KM's and you name it to shame me about my fear of dogs. To read about these poor lady's is maddening.

This KM just made my blood boil and your right LHG Jonah did not give his life he hid out until nothing else worked he did not jump to kill himself and it is not a literally story anyway from how I feel now.

It just makes me mad see this KM after what happened to these women and Outlaw you are right on again I loved your post as it so very true. They would kill themselves for the GB.

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Latest KM says we need to being willing to sacrifice our life like Jonah did!!!

by life is to short in

in case any of you wondered why those two poor women who were attacked by the pit bull and probably ignored warning signs of a dag being in the yard and posted signs went to the door anyway.. here it is from the latest april 2013 km front page titled "take as a pattern the prophets-jonah".

paragraph #3 "when jonah realized that his bad decision had jeopardized the lives of the mariners, he was willing to sacrifice his life.

(jonah 1:3, 4, 12) later, when fulfilling his commission in nineveh, he walked deep into the heart of the city, perhaps looking for a suitable location to proclaim the judgment of jehovah.

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In case any of you wondered why those two poor women who were attacked by the pit bull and probably ignored warning signs of a dag being in the yard and posted signs went to the door anyway.

Here it is from the latest April 2013 KM front page titled "Take as a Pattern the Prophets-Jonah"

Paragraph #3 "When Jonah realized that his bad decision had jeopardized the lives of the mariners, he was willing to sacrifice his life. (Jonah 1:3, 4, 12) Later, when fulfilling his commission in Nineveh, he walked deep into the heart of the city, perhaps looking for a suitable location to proclaim the judgment of Jehovah. Those where the actions, not of a coward, but of a courageous prophet of God! (Jonah 3:3, 4) What about us today? God-given courage is needed to give a bold witness in the face of opposition. (Acts 4:29, 31) Self-sacrifice is required to invest time and resources in the ministry.- Acts 20: 24."

And for those of you who wondered why someone would go to a door who was afraid of dogs, terrified of them like I was but yet I still went was because I was being told this stuff in the car group. I was told that I had no courage, I was a coward, I did not trust Jehovah, and you name it I was told it.

I feel so horrible and it just breaks my heart for those two poor women, even if they recover they will never be the same, it just affects you mentally being attacked. I was attacked when I was a child thus my fear of dogs now. And for what did those women give their lives because of some garbage like this. It just makes my heart hurt.

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Suspected Jehovah's Witnesses attacked by pitbull in the preaching work

by cedars in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtrdafq0xac.

i guess this sort of thing is bound to happen, even though the society implies that angels are out there protecting jehovah's witnesses from harm.. interestingly, it wasn't an angel who came to the rescue, but a "worldly" bystander with his gun.. .

cedars.

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I was terrified of dogs have been every since I as a little kid.

I was ridiculed, mocked, put down, made to feel like I had no faith, etc when I was out in service if I refused to go to a home with a dog becuase the dog scarred me.

The dogs always sensed my fear and they would come at me, I have been told over and over by JW's that I lacked trust in Jehovah that was why dogs bit me. I kid you not.

I have put myself in danger so many times it is unreal. There was one time where I knew this home had a mean dog and it was my door. I was in a car group of four other sisters and I begged them to just write it down for letter writing, This aggressive sister told me NO WAY it was my door and that I had better get out of the car. There was no dog in sight so it was clear to the car group that I just did not want to talk at the door. I went to the door shaking and sure enough the dog came tearing out from the back, he was a wicked mean German Shepard I ran for my life and barley made it back to the car. I was so scarred and all the sisters in the car were laughing their heads off at me telling me I looked so stupid.

I have been bit six or seven times, one bit did not break the skin but it bruised so bad that it took six months to heal. We were pioneering and I had no money to go to the doctor. My husband asked me why I allowed the dog to bit me. I just wanted to cry. It just really hurt my feelings more than anything because he did not care, it was like it was my fault.

I have been told that I was faking my fear of dogs just so I did not have to go to the door because I did not want to save peoples lives, I was trying to get out of talking, taking my fair share of the doors.

Yet I have been with other JW's who have been afraid of dogs and they get away with not going where there are dogs. I do not know why there was such a difference with me.

One time I was bit by a small dog an ankle bitter and my husband said Jehovah let it happen because the guy was so afraid we might sue he stood and listened to my husband for over an hour, my husband said if the dog had not bit me the guy would not have gotten a witness, so Jehovah allowed it to happen and it was no big deal just a small wound.

The bottom line is I had no choice but to go to doors with bad dogs, I do not know why I was forced to but I was FORCED TO. I know to most of you that makes no sense why did'nt I just say no. I did, I begged, pleaded, even cried not to make me go to the doors with bad dogs, but I was told it was my service to Jehovah to go to ALL DOORS. I have even been told that they would not move the car until I got out. Now I find it hard to believe myself but it was how I was treated in feild service.

The pain of how I was treated by my fellow JW's hurts more then any dog bite.

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Any "inappropriate" or "saucy" conversations out in Field Service car groups???

by Gojira_101 in

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i thought of one that happened to me, i think i was 16 and regular pioneering at the time.

i was in fs with my friend, i think she had to be about 18, and we were in a van with older married sisters, my friend and i were the only single ones.

there were 6 of us in this van and my friend and i of course were forced to sit in the back (meaning we couldn't escape by jumping out of a moving van), anyway, the conversation turned to discussing molestation.. the two oldest sisters sitting in the front then started going into detail about how they had been molested, and it wasn't just "i was molested by..." no they went into detail.. i was shocked!

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There was one sister who was an elders wife and pioneer who felt all sisters should wear throng underwear. I mean she went on and and on about it. It was like she was the underwear police and I thought for some minutes she was going to check what all of us had on. It was beyond maddening. Also how she LOOOOOOOOOOVED oral sex, I mean she LOVED IT! but to please Jehovah she and her husband were refraining from it. Why we needed to know that was beyond my thinking.

She was also one of the most looked up to and respected women in the hall. All the elders loved her and thought she walked on water. She was always on assembly parts and used when ever an elder could.

This is only the tip of what I could say about field service it was truly stupid what was talked about in service. I am a very privite person and what was talked about made me feel very uncomfortable. I truly used to wonder where Jehovah's angles were and why they allowed it.

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JW women in critical condition after being attacked by pit bull while out in service

by JimmyPage in

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http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20130319_11_0_twowom831238.

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I was bitten seven times in field service. I was terrified of dogs but I was married to an elder and we were pioneers working where the CO deemed the need was great which was the country and everyone had dogs.

Even if the house holder had beware of dog signs posted, etc it did not matter because we had to go to warn them of Jehovah's wrath.

I was so scarred so many times, I would sometimes beg and plead not to go to a door because of the dogs but I was always belittled and put down and told that I lacked faith and where was my trust in Jehovah?

When I would get bit I was told it was my fault that I did not have enough faith, etc. I remember one time the householder was just in a really bad mood and she had this blue healer kind of dog, it was my door and she was just frustrated that us JW's were bothering her the dog was in the way and she kicked the dog out the door and as he ran by me he bit me hard right below my knee. It hurt like heck and I was not sure if I was bleeding, I was not so mad at the dog as he had just been kicked really hard himself but I was in so much pain. The lady slammed the door in our face and as I limped back to the car my husband asked me why I allowed the dog to bit me. I just wanted to cry.

The dog did not break my skin but it bruised really bad, it did tissue damage and I had this ugly bruise that took six months to heal.
Another time the householder was rude and slammed the door in our face as we were leaving the yard I felt a sharp pain in my ankle and looked down to see a small dog biting me. The householder came running out scarred out of his mind that we were going to sue him. He grabbed the dog and apologized his brains out. I was bleeding but my husband told him I was fine and processed to spend the next hour talking to this guy who stood and listened just glad we were not going to sue him.

When we finally got back to the car my husband told me Jehovah let the dog bit me as now the householder was able to get a witness, I kid you not. There was no mention of how I was, if I was hurt, or needed to at the very least wipe the blood of my ankle, it was just carry on as usual.

To me what hurt more then the pain of being bit which truly did hurt but what hurt the most was the reaction of the JW's I was with including my husband and that was to put the blame on me. It was my lack of faith, my not being strong enough, my having a fear of dogs, my not trusting in Jehovah enough, etc. And for the longest time I believed all the garbage that I was being told. None of the other JW's seemed to have the problem with dogs that I did, and I bought into the fact that it must be me that Jehovah was mad at me, etc.

Not one JW ever asked me once after I was bit if I was OK or showed any concern toward me at all including my husband. I was blamed for every dog bit I received.

That pain I carry until today.

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